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Trayvon Martin killing: Sanford police chief steps down

A Florida police chief has stood down in the face national outrage over his department's decision not to arrest a neighbourhood watch captain who shot dead an unarmed black teenager.

by Raf Sanchez | The Telegraph UK | 10:39PM GMT 22 Mar 2012

[...] thousands of protesters took to the streets across the country and black members of Congress accused the Sanford Police Department of a "blatant disregard for justice".

The 17-year-old was killed by George Zimmerman, a volunteer warden, as he returned from the shops carrying a packet of Skittles and a can of iced tea. Mr Zimmerman, a mixed race hispanic, said he opened fire in self-defence after the teenager attacked him but growing evidence from witnesses and 911 tapes suggests that the older man chased him through the gated housing estate where his father lived.

In the facing of national outrage, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee last night said he was temporarily stepping aside "to restore some semblance of calm to the city which has been in turmoil for several weeks".

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FritzColburn on 2012-03-25

I can't believe I agreed with Pat Buchanan on this one. There is the question of "self defense".

First issue (aside from where I agree with Buchanan) is the use of force continuum which states you are justified in using force 1 step above what your aggressor is using on you. This, of course, can be altered depending on circumstance.

1) Command presence
2) Verbal orders
3) Soft empty-hand
4) Hard empty-hand
5) Less lethal force
6) Lethal force.

There are many variants to this but they all hold to this general setup.

In this case, it's fairly obvious that Zimmerman was attacked (wait for it... I'm not done on that subject). Trayvon Martin was armed with a bag of skittles and an iced tea. This would fall into the hard empty hand. Martin did some damage to Zimmerman judging by the reports of a nose bleed and cut to the back of the head allegedly suffered by Zimmerman.

Now, with a hard empty hand being used, Zimmerman would be allowed to use a level above that of which is used against him, in this case he would be allowed to use his fists or "environmental weapons" (a weapon found in his immediate area that is not likely to cause death). There are many things he could have done but chose to jump straight to lethal force. I find any number of things wrong with this fact alone.

Second issue is this. Why was a volunteer community patrolman arming himself? As many of you know I was a member of the Guardian Angels for several years. None of us were ever armed and in fact most chapters don't even carry handcuffs. "Weapon" in this case does include pepper spray. In 30+ years how many people did the Guardian Angels kill? None. How many Angels killed? 5.

Third issue, (this is where Buchanan actually agreed with me) the "stand your ground" law is intended to be used in situations when you are clearly being assaulted. You do not have to back down to an aggressor. While he was on the phone with police the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin. Zimmerman answered "yes" and the dispatcher told him "you don't need to be doing that". There is no aggression at this point from Martin so the law doesn't apply. After this comment there is a confrontation between the 2 that gets physical. Zimmerman is injured and decides he's losing the fight and he is going to shoot. That is not in question.

The reality is the "stand your ground" law does in fact apply. It applies to Trayvon Martin. This kid was walking home and had an unknown, armed, man following him around saying God knows what to him. Trayvon easily and rightfully could have felt threatened by this and acted to defend himself. He got the better of Zimmerman and lost his life as a result.

The bottom line is this. Zimmerman created the situation. Period. End of story. His claim of self defense is no different than somebody robbing a liquor store and then claiming he was defending himself when the clerk shot first. It's a disgustingly ludicrous claim and there is no reason whatsoever for this man to not have been locked up that night on at least manslaughter charges if not murder.

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admin on 2012-03-26

New Black Panther Party Offers 10K Reward For Zimmerman’s Capture

Written by NewsOne Staff on March 24, 2012 11:58 pm

The New Black Panther Party is offering a $10,000 reward for the capture of George Zimmerman, the shooter who shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin dead, CNN reports.

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FritzColburn on 2012-03-27

Problem #1 Nobody wants anything to do with these racists or their blood money. Trayvon's family included.

Problem #2 Putting that money up amounts to inciting a kidnapping and/or murder. He hasn't been convicted or escaped so there's no way to legally have a bounty on him

Problem #3 The New Black Panther Party ceased to be relevant when they added "New" to the name and became as racist as the people they claim to be fighting.

Just sayin...

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admin on 2012-03-29

Police video shows George Zimmerman shortly after Trayvon Martin shooting

By msnbc.com staff

Updated at 7:09 a.m. ET: Surveillance video footage of George Zimmerman being led from a police car shortly after he fatally shot teenager Trayvon Martin does not appear to show any injuries or bloodstains.

The footage, obtained by ABC News on Wednesday, shows a handcuffed Zimmerman getting out of the police car unaided and walking into the police station where he was taken after the shooting in Sanford, Fla.

It was taken about four hours after the deadly incident.

There are no visible signs of injuries to Zimmerman's head or obvious blood on his clothes. However, he is wearing a red jacket, which could obscure blood stains.

Zimmerman's attorney Craig Sonner has previously said that his client suffered a broken nose and a gash to his head during the altercation.

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99percenter on 2012-03-29

Folks, there is no question that the shooting of Trayvon is a tragedy that should not have occurred. But the media focus on this story has nothing to do with Trayvon or even George Zimmerman. Obama needs racial discord as a platform to run on for November. He is waving Trayvon's bloody shirt as a political banner to rebuild his support among the black community, which has been sagging as that community suffers the effects of both the economy and the wars.

Beyond that, were racial riots to explode in American cities across the nation, Obama would have his National Emergency with which to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution.

Look at the difference in media coverage between Trayvon's murder and that of the Iraqi woman in California. Absent a political purpose, both murders should have equal coverage in the news. But the intense focus on the Trayvon murder is for a reason.

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FritzColburn on 2012-03-29

I've watched that video a few times and all it did was lift my eyebrow further. I see no sign of a broken nose or "gash" on the back of his head. Yes, the cop looks at his head. But it doesn't appear to me that he saw anything very serious if anything at all. I would think that by the time that video was shot, if he did in fact have a broken nose there would be visible evidence of it. There would be some level of bruising immediately surrounding the nose. I've never seen a broken nose that wasn't accompanied by a black eye.

I am not saying any or all of this evidence is not there I just don't see it. So I have to wave the "bullshit flag" on his story. Let me see the CSI photos of his head. Let me see the doctor's report... oh wait, that's right, he didn't feel his injuries were severe enough to even go to a hospital.

So I leave this question. Where is the beating that was worthy of killing a kid?

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FritzColburn on 2012-03-29

false flag? really?

OK I've had enough. The anti-government paranoia and conspiracy bullshit has just gone too far. This was a racist murdering a kid. Lying out his ass about it and, potentially, getting away with it and you somehow turn it into a government conspiracy? What the FUCK Brian.

Excuse me while I go puke and join the democrats. I'm out of here.

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99percenter on 2012-03-30

@ FC - WTF indeed!

It's a shame more than ever, now that the Panther post was removed. This is business as usual. Please google yourself "The Black Panther Coloring Book." Who wants race wars? CUI BONO (who benefits)?

Check it out.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s niece is criticizing the Rev. Al Sharpton and the Rev. Jesse Jackson for politicizing the Trayvon Martin shooting and leveraging racial tensions to rile up Americans....
more here

White Supremacist Hacks Trayvon Martin's E-mail Account
more here

SEATTLE - A 16-year-old boy from West Seattle says he was held hostage and beaten for hours, all because of the color of his skin.
more here

People don't want race wars; they want race wars and will get them unless we wake the fuck up.

peace

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Tod on 2012-04-1

I hear the domain name "OFFTOPICPARANOIDS.COM" is available.

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admin on 2012-04-2

Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel | 5:38 p.m. EST, March 31, 2012

As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help. But these experts say the evidence tells a different story.

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FritzColburn on 2012-04-2

Larry and I have had some real good talks on this one. He leans toward Zimmerman being justified. Which is in fact possible. After reading this myself last night and then telling him... he's now in my camp.

This will be a good fight in court. Will be interesting to see how this pans out. But first the DA needs to be pressured to file the charges.

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99percenter on 2012-04-4

NBC News regrets editing of Trayvon shooting call
http://news.yahoo.com/nbc-news-regrets-editing-trayvon-shooting-call-220...

LOL ar "error." It will be interesting to see how this plays out across their MSM.

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rhdobson on 2012-04-4

Brian you my boy and everything. But this nonsense has got to stop. Brother man, you know that everybody else is not going to keep it real with you but I am. You have to stop this. Race wars? Really? This is a miscarraiage of justice. Not an instance of racism. Zimmerman was a spoiled rich kid not a racist. Get it right. He may have killed Trayvon because he fit the subscription, but he got away with it because his dad is a prosperous member of the community!!!!!!

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99percenter on 2012-04-4

And you my girl, so let's keep it really really real. WE AGREE!

Had a bunch of text/pics not been deleted from this thread, it might make more sense.

peace

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rhdobson on 2012-04-4

@ admin: Was his texts and pics deleted?
http://youtu.be/89dhI9e_Dcg

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99percenter on 2012-04-4

I never would play you and while he will say that they weren't "deleted" per se, he will say something about moved to someplace marked as "debate" which means that they don't appear (or some such).

peace

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rhdobson on 2012-04-4

YOU NEED TO RESPOND TO MY POST!!!!!!

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admin on 2012-04-5

I don't delete posts. I move them. It is located in the "Really Random" forum, and Brian has known that for days.

In fact, after moving it, I received a request from him to change the title to "COINTELPRO in action". I obliged.

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FritzColburn on 2012-04-5

More "I'm the victim" selective memory apparently

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rhdobson on 2012-04-5

A good friend of mine asked me to cool out on the site. So I am not going to continue to respond. Just wanted to know.

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admin on 2012-04-8

Hey Everyone!
Please click on the image below and print, sign and mail this letter to Attorney General, Eric Holder of the Department of Justice requesting that the DOJ take further action in the Trayvon Martin case.

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admin on 2012-04-11

Not Just the NRA: Former ALEC Leader, the Head of Gun Owners of America, Sides With Shooter of Trayvon Martin

by Brendan Fischer — April 9, 2012 - 7:28am
Topics: Corporations, Democracy, Politics
Projects: ALEC Exposed

The executive director of Gun Owners of America Larry Pratt has hit the airwaves with a rare defense of George Zimmerman, the 28-year-old man who shot and killed unarmed African-American high school student Trayvon Martin. Prosecutors and law enforcement in Florida have cited Florida's "stand your ground" (aka "shoot first") law, which was conceived by the National Rifle Association and ratified by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). Pratt is a former ALEC board member and notorious for racially-charged rhetoric.

Pratt's Ties to ALEC

Pratt's relationship with ALEC began in 1978, when ALEC began an effort to oppose a constitutional amendment giving the District of Columbia full voting rights in Congress. That debate began shortly after the District obtained some independence from congressional management through "home-rule," which allowed American citizens in DC to elect a mayor, but left them subject to taxation without representation in Congress. The debate over allowing DC residents to elect senators was tainted with racist objections due to the large population of African-Americans in DC, and the likelihood that DC would elect two minority -- and Democratic -- Senators if accorded representation in Congress.

To help promote its opposition to the amendment, ALEC forged an alliance with Pratt's Gun Owners of America. At the 1979 Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC) conference, ALEC and Pratt's Gun Owners of America announced a plan the two groups had developed to thwart ratification of the amendment, involving states sending formal resolutions of disapproval to the federal government. Pratt was clear about their interest in blocking the measure. "The amendment would bring in two senators who would probably be minority and would definitely be liberal on gun control," he said.

ALEC's relationship with Pratt and his Gun Owners of America apparently remained mutually beneficial.

Pratt was elected to the Virginia State Legislature in 1981 and soon took a leadership position in ALEC. He sat on ALEC's board even after he left the legislature, serving as its treasurer in at least 1983 and 1984 and 1985, and perhaps longer (the records from this period are incomplete beyond these specific documents).

Pratt's Gun Owners of America remained ALEC members for many years, into at least the 1990s.

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FritzColburn on 2012-04-11

Zimmerman charged with second-degree murder

George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who says he was acting in self-defense when he fatally shot teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has been charged with murder in the second degree, special prosecutor Angela Corey told reporters Wednesday.

Corey said that Zimmerman has surrendered to authorities in Florida and has been arrested. The charge carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison.

Police say Zimmerman fatally shot Martin, a 17-year-old African-American, on February 26 in Sanford, Florida, after Martin began walking home from a convenience store. Zimmerman, who is Hispanic and was a neighborhood watch volunteer, had called 911 to complain about a suspicious person in the neighborhood. He was released without charges after claiming self-defense, but the case was referred to a special prosecutor as thousands converged on Sanford to join in protests calling for Zimmerman's arrest.

The following are running updates on the story:

[Updated at 6:58 p.m. ET] Martin's father, Tracy Martin, thanked "everyone for being compassionate about this."

"As (Martin's attorney, Benjamin Crump) said, this is just the beginning. We have a long way to go, and we have faith," Tracy Martin said.

Trayvon Martin's parent and their attorneys were at a news conference with the Rev. Al Sharpton in Washington, D.C., where the parents have been visiting an annual conference held by Sharpton's National Action Network.

Tracy Martin spoke of the marches in which people called for justice in the case.

"The first time we marched, I looked to the sky and said, 'I will walk by faith,' Martin recalled. "We will continue to walk by faith. We will continue to hold hands on this journey - white, black, Latino.

"We will march and march and march until the right thing is done."

[Updated at 6:56 p.m. ET] An emotional Sybrina Fulton – who is Martin's mother – reacted to Wednesday's news:

"First of all, I want to say: Thank God. We simply wanted an arrest," she told reporters in Washington, D.C. "We wanted nothing more and nothing less, and we got it. And I say thank you. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Jesus."

[Updated at 6:49 p.m. ET] The attorney for Martin's parents, Benjamin Crump, standing with the parents and the Rev. Al Sharpton, told reporters in Washington, D.C., said that if one were to look at the facts and evidence fairly, Zimmerman "had to be arrested, and this matter had to go before a judge and a jury."

"We can take a short breath, because we are just now getting to first base," Crump said. "This is only first base. Trayvon's legacy cannot be tarnished based on people doing sick things and acting (on) ignorance or using violence."

[Updated at 6:42 p.m. ET] The Rev. Al Sharpton, standing with Trayvon Martin's parents at a news conference in Washington, D.C., said "there should be no high-fiving" over Zimmerman's charge.

"There’s no winners here. … This is not about gloating. This is about pursuing justice. We have not won anything. All we have established is we have the right to redress," Sharpton said.

Sharpton said that he believed public pressure didn't lead Corey to file the charges, but he believes public pressure caused Florida's governor and Corey to review the case.

"If we did not get this far, we would condemn them," Sharpton said. "We must say that despite the fact that we are of ... different political persuasions ... we came together and said only the facts should matter."

"We are trying to make sure that something happens so that this will not happen again," Sharpton said.

[Updated at 6:34 p.m. ET] Benjamin Jealous, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, issued a statement following the announcement of charges against Zimmerman:

“Forty–five days after Trayvon Martin’s life came to a violent end, the wheels of justice have finally begun to turn. This is an important first step toward bringing justice for Trayvon and his family," Jealous' statement began.

Jealous said "Trayvon’s case moved the nation because it underscored the twin tragedies that affect so many of our young people: Trayvon was profiled because of his race—looked upon as a threat rather than the loving son he was."

"And then, once he became a victim, he was neglected by the very police department tasked with protecting our communities and families," Jealous said. "As a nation, we’ve got to address the issues of racial profiling and the valuation of black mens’ lives by law enforcement. In the months ahead the months ahead, the NAACP and our allies in the civil rights community will continue to take these issues on as well as the urgent need to repeal stand-your-ground laws.

"Tonight our thoughts and prayers are with Trayvon’s family. We are grateful for the courage and tenacity of Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin that continue to help shape a national movement for justice for their son and for all of America’s children.”

[Updated at 6:20 p.m. ET] In Florida, a charge of second-degree murder carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, according to CNN and HLN legal analysts. Florida does not offer the chance for parole for those convicted of the charge. The sentence would, however, take into account several mitigating and aggregating factors.

[Updated at 6:17 p.m. ET] Zimmerman is being held without opportunity for bail, but Zimmerman's lawyers are entitled to request a bond, Corey said. Once they do so, a bond hearing will be held, she told reporters.

[Updated at 6:16 p.m. ET] While Corey said that Zimmerman surrendered and is in the custody of authorities in Florida, she declined to say exactly where, citing concerns for the safety of Zimmerman "and everyone else."

iReport.com: What's your reaction?

[Updated at 6:12 p.m. ET] Corey said she wouldn't discuss what led her to file the second-degree murder charge, other than her conclusion is based on her review of the evidence.

Florida state attorney Angela Corey said she spoke with Trayvon Martin's parents before telling the media about the charge against Zimmerman.

[Updated at 6:07 p.m. ET] George Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder in connection with the February 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin, Corey said.

What happens now that Zimmerman is charged in Trayvon Martin death?

[Updated at 5:51 p.m. ET] George Zimmerman has turned himself in to law enforcement and is in custody in Florida, according to CNN legal analyst Mark NeJame.

Zimmerman also has a new attorney, Mark O'Mara, according to NeJame.

NeJame reported that Zimmerman, before he surrendered, was "out of the state of Florida, as I understand it, for his safety."

On Tuesday, Zimmerman's former attorneys Hal Uhrig and Craig Sonner told reporters they had lost contact with Zimmerman and no longer represent him.

[Updated at 4:55 p.m. ET] Florida Gov. Rick Scott has released a statement ahead of the special prosecutor's news conference:

"We are fortunate in our state that most Floridians and local civic leaders are law-abiding, responsible citizens who all want justice to prevail. No matter what State Attorney (Angela) Corey determines following her investigation of the Trayvon Martin tragedy, I trust in the goodness of all Florida citizens to allow our justice system to reach an appropriate conclusion in this case."

[Updated at 3:34 p.m. ET] The parents of Trayvon Martin plan to hold a news conference after the special prosecutor makes her announcement.

Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, will be accompanied by their attorneys and the Rev. Al Sharpton in Washington, D.C., where the parents have been visiting a conference held by Sharpton's National Action Network.

[Updated at 3:07 p.m. ET] Many people in Sanford, Florida and around the world have been captivated by the Trayvon Martin case and have lent their support to Martin's family.

Upon hearing the news that special prosecutor Angela Corey was holding a press conference today to update the media, Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton tweeted that the case was in God's hands now.

Sybrina Fulton @SybrinaFulton

We're on pins&needles waiting for Ms. Coreys decision but we're prayerful that justice will prevail. He sits high&looks low #GODisincontrol
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[Updated at 3:02 p.m. ET] The office of special prosecutor Angela Corey has confirmed that a news conference updating the media on the Trayvon Martin case will begin at the State Attorney’s Office in Jacksonville, Florida at 6 p.m. ET.

[Updated at 2:51 p.m. ET] Corey's office, which is investigating the Trayvon Martin shooting case, said that charges against George Zimmerman have not been filed. The office would not confirm whether the office planned to charge him, according to HLN's Josey Crews.

Earlier, CNN reported that Corey is expected to announce a decision Wednesday regarding whether she will file charges against Zimmerman, and a senior law enforcement source familiar with the Martin death investigation said that Zimmerman would be charged.

[Updated at 2:39 p.m. ET] George Zimmerman “will be (criminally) charged if (he) hasn’t been charged already,” according to a senior law enforcement source familiar with the Trayvon Martin death investigation.

It's not clear what the charges would be.

[Initial post, 2:29 p.m. ET] A special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin shooting case is expected to announce a decision within the next four hours regarding whether she will file charges against George Zimmerman, CNN reports.

The news comes a day after attorneys for Zimmerman told reporters they had lost contact with Zimmerman and no longer represent him.

Police say Zimmerman fatally shot Martin, a 17-year-old African-American, on February 26 in Sanford, Florida, after Martin began walking home from a convenience store. Zimmerman, who is Hispanic and was a neighborhood watch volunteer, had called 911 to complain about a suspicious person in the neighborhood.

Zimmerman told Sanford police the shooting was self-defense, and Zimmerman was released without charges. Authorities have said Zimmerman was not immediately charged because there were no grounds, at the outset, to disprove his account that he'd acted to protect himself.

But thousands converged on Sanford to join in protests calling for Zimmerman's arrest and criticizing the police department's handling of the case. Martin's death has triggered a nationwide debate about race in America and Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force anywhere they feel a reasonable threat of death or serious injury.

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Peace on 2012-04-11

I watched the press conferences this afternoon, and I was so impressed with everyone, from the Prosecution, the family, the lawyers, NAN, and Al Sharpton.

They all worked for justice, and at the same time tried to keep violence from breaking out. Their examples are the highest. It touched my heart so much.

Compassion, courage, just intentions, and nonviolence demonstrate how good can overcome evil. Final justice depends on what follows.

I have been taken back to grace of Martin Luther King, Jr. that empowered the Civil Rights Movement.

NAN is an example of how people can organize and demonstrate for justice, drawing people together from all over the country to call for justice and get a positive response.

I also feel compassion for George Zimmerman. He is a man whose fears turned him to violence. I have pity for anyone who is controlled by their fears.

Fear is a personal prison we impose on ourselves. It leads to violence in one form or another.

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FritzColburn on 2012-04-11

Although I personally feel that he is guilty, there are very valid arguments to the opposite. What I rejoice in right now is not that he has been charged. It's that the system will now decide that guilt or innocence. There are so many things that we don't know about this case.

I just hope that if he is acquitted that the non-violence preaching will stand and prevail. We have the potential for Rodney King caliber riots with this case and I don't believe it will be a localized event. It could easily go nationwide.

Let's see what happens.

Side note:

I was just telling Larry about an old friend of mine whom I haven't seen in many years. His name is/was (he may have passed by now) Mitch. He was at a liquor store in my hometown when a man tried to pull a "beer run". Mitch took off after him and confronted him.

The man swung the 12-pack at Mitch's head and he reacted by taking him to the ground in a choke hold. Now, Mitch was not a big man by any means. He could easily have been killed if that had hit him. Tragically the other guy died. If I remember right there was some sort of heart problem on top of alcohol that actually caused his death. This incident was just the catalyst.

Afterward while Mitch and I were talking about this at our Denny's he confided in me something that changed the way I viewed the justice system. I had said something to the effect of "I hope they won't charge you". "I hope they do" was his retort.

His reasoning? If the OC DA didn't charge him the potential for charges would hang over his head for the rest of his life. If they did charge him it would go to court and hopefully would be acquitted. It would be over that way.

Mitch was a great guy. Wonderful poet and bright (yet pretty twisted) individual. I hope he's still around giving hope and friendship to somebody else who needs it like I did then.

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Peace on 2012-04-11

Good story, Fritz. Thanks for sharing that. I share your hopes.

Violence would simply play into the hands of the people who expect that response. It would serve absolutely no good purpose. Violence only perpetuates violence in one form or other.

Even if this goes to trial, we will not know what is presented in its entirety and manner. Regardless of what is reported, we will not be there and cannot judge. We will have to hope the verdict is a just one.

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FritzColburn on 2012-04-11

Actually I'm sure we will be able to see all evidence as it's laid out. You have to know this will be televised.

My biggest concern... two words.

Casey Anthony.

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Peace on 2012-04-11

Oh, no! I hope it isn't televised. Won't make a difference to me though. I won't watch trials. It seems voyeuristic.

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admin on 2012-04-23

Police chief in Trayvon case to resign permanently today

By Douglas Stanglin | USA TODAY | Apr 23, 2012

The Sanford police chief criticized for his department's handling of the Trayvon Martin shooting case will resign permanently today, the city announced.

Update at 2:14 p.m. ET: The resignation will be part of a separation agreement with Chief Billy Lee Jr. that commissioners will be asked to approve later today.

"Under the separation agreement, Chief Lee would resign from his post, effective at midnight tonight," the city said in a statement. "The chief's resignation comes a month after he was allowed to temporarily step down from his position as police chief in an effort to aid in restoring calm to the City in the wake of protests surrounding the Trayvon Martin investigation."

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Peace on 2012-04-24

Guess the news changed for the link. The Sanford Board refused to accept the resignation.

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admin on 2012-04-24

Heh - You're right - and they even retained the old URL!

He will remain on administrative leave pending the results of an outside review of the department's investigation. That could take three to four months, city officials said.

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Peace on 2012-04-30

http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/zimmermans-lawye...

There is something very cheesy about lawyers taking this course.

Zimmerman got himself into this situation through his fanatical paranoia. Now, this!

The donations appear to be going directly into the lawyer's pocket, unless a judge orders the sites closed down. Any bets?

The Internet is becoming a sickening thing to me as I see so many abuse and misuse it.

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